Alberta has one of the largest batteries and was implemented as a "green" agenda project. During a -35C period in winter it was sable today supply power to the electrical grid for about 4 hours! Total waste and proof that battery tech will NEVER replace oil and gas.
All electric busses can't handle such low temperatures and the electrical grid can't charge them fast enough.
Good comments, but as a career federal risk management expert in the nuclear arena, I’d say there needs to be a full hazards analysis done prior to moving past preliminary siting of these facilities. There could be lasting environmental damages, creating superfund type sites that must be monitored and excluded from public access for decades. The byproducts of a LiPo fire are incredibly toxic.
This is something that needs to be paused until the NEPA laws ( the leftist favorite legal weapon against nuclear energy) are updated to fully encompass grid scale storage systems….which are TOTALLY UNNECESSARY for base load systems such as nuclear, gas n coal….all of which are much less dangerous and way more predictable in terms of chronic and accuse hazards.
"To determine the number of grid-size BESS containers needed for a 350MW solar or wind farm, you'll need to consider the desired duration of energy storage (e.g., 4 hours, 8 hours) and the capacity of each container. A general rule of thumb is that a 350MW plant might require approximately 19 Power Conversion Systems (PCS), with two containers per PCS, for a 4-hour supply duration, according to RatedPower."
...and how good is 4 hrs of backup during a week long wind drought or stretch of extremely cloudy weather?
What a waste of money. Give me a gas power plant any day.
The proposed practices are mitigation to minimize the expected catastrophic failure leading to fire. What about the proactive prevention approach? If it is cooling that would control a runaway failure causing combustion, then what about individual battery unit cooling? What about sensors to monitor temperature and whatever else is needed? Maybe multiple sensors on each surface of the battery pack? Maybe deformation sensors?
Yes, all of this would likely make the battery installation uneconomic. So so be it.
This is a great article full of good information that we can use to fight this climate scam.And the Abbreviation for Lithium ion batteries if LIBs...How perfect is this!! Fight the LIBs on both sides and top and bottom. inside and out!!!
In good old CA they are stuffing battery storage installations into small industrial parks where they are tightly spaced and right up against other buildings. A fire will likely level or at least contaminate the whole place. No resistance from local authorities that I’m aware of and even with several large battery fires in the state already no one seems to care.
It will take until late this decade or even into the 2030s to connect these monstrosities to the grid and get them operational, so the problem is well into the future, but it’ll happen.
The BESS facilities should be placed under the USNRC so they can apply their Linear No Threshold Precautionary Principle. That would guarantee no additional BESS would ever be built.
The BESS facility should not be allowed to be built. Period. There is no way to contain a thermal runaway nor make it “safer”. It’s not if, but when this happens, the amount of short and long term damage to people and the environment is irreversible.
Alberta has one of the largest batteries and was implemented as a "green" agenda project. During a -35C period in winter it was sable today supply power to the electrical grid for about 4 hours! Total waste and proof that battery tech will NEVER replace oil and gas.
All electric busses can't handle such low temperatures and the electrical grid can't charge them fast enough.
Stop the insanity!
BTW have you seen the average Lithium mine? They will be scars on the earth for at least a century!
Good comments, but as a career federal risk management expert in the nuclear arena, I’d say there needs to be a full hazards analysis done prior to moving past preliminary siting of these facilities. There could be lasting environmental damages, creating superfund type sites that must be monitored and excluded from public access for decades. The byproducts of a LiPo fire are incredibly toxic.
This is something that needs to be paused until the NEPA laws ( the leftist favorite legal weapon against nuclear energy) are updated to fully encompass grid scale storage systems….which are TOTALLY UNNECESSARY for base load systems such as nuclear, gas n coal….all of which are much less dangerous and way more predictable in terms of chronic and accuse hazards.
"To determine the number of grid-size BESS containers needed for a 350MW solar or wind farm, you'll need to consider the desired duration of energy storage (e.g., 4 hours, 8 hours) and the capacity of each container. A general rule of thumb is that a 350MW plant might require approximately 19 Power Conversion Systems (PCS), with two containers per PCS, for a 4-hour supply duration, according to RatedPower."
...and how good is 4 hrs of backup during a week long wind drought or stretch of extremely cloudy weather?
What a waste of money. Give me a gas power plant any day.
Container sized nuclear is pretty close to being realized as well, if the fad is containerized power systems.
Another reason to leave the Commonwealth of Massholastan.
The proposed practices are mitigation to minimize the expected catastrophic failure leading to fire. What about the proactive prevention approach? If it is cooling that would control a runaway failure causing combustion, then what about individual battery unit cooling? What about sensors to monitor temperature and whatever else is needed? Maybe multiple sensors on each surface of the battery pack? Maybe deformation sensors?
Yes, all of this would likely make the battery installation uneconomic. So so be it.
This is a great article full of good information that we can use to fight this climate scam.And the Abbreviation for Lithium ion batteries if LIBs...How perfect is this!! Fight the LIBs on both sides and top and bottom. inside and out!!!
In good old CA they are stuffing battery storage installations into small industrial parks where they are tightly spaced and right up against other buildings. A fire will likely level or at least contaminate the whole place. No resistance from local authorities that I’m aware of and even with several large battery fires in the state already no one seems to care.
It will take until late this decade or even into the 2030s to connect these monstrosities to the grid and get them operational, so the problem is well into the future, but it’ll happen.
The BESS facilities should be placed under the USNRC so they can apply their Linear No Threshold Precautionary Principle. That would guarantee no additional BESS would ever be built.
The BESS facility should not be allowed to be built. Period. There is no way to contain a thermal runaway nor make it “safer”. It’s not if, but when this happens, the amount of short and long term damage to people and the environment is irreversible.
Batteries are the new cool fad, you State needs them to be in the 😎 cool club.
And the cost and functionality is a complete joke too!