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Jeff Chestnut's avatar

It’s hard to imagine how the grifters is solar and wind can look at themselves in the mirror. But after the last decade of free government money and the leftists efforts, there are many poorly educated and unaware people buying into the pack of lies. When you add in the WEF and WHO backing population reduction and the recent declaration we shoujd cease growing food at home, you just have to conclude mental illness is prevalent. Where has the morality and work ethic gone? The belief that government provides everything is truly confounding.

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I'd like to add a few more pieces to this puzzle. Even though initial capital costs are vastly lower for natural gas than for wind & solar, one also needs to consider the operating costs and fuel costs.

Regarding operating costs, solar and gas are comparable, falling between $17K to $25K per MW per year. Wind is higher at $50K per year.

Regarding fuel costs, wind and solar are free, while gas works out to something like $25-$40/MWh.

If this was all we had to consider, gas would still be the most economic option. But federal subsidies push hard on the balance to favor wind and solar. The federal Production Tax Credit (PTC) gives the producer a federal tax credit of $30 per MWh! That means every MWh the gas plant generates COSTS the Company about $30, while every MWh the wind or solar plant generates EARNS the Company about $30. This net difference of $60/MWh very quickly offsets the initial capital costs, especially when the capital costs are amortized for depreciation (as utilities must do).

Even with this huge subsidy for wind and solar, the economics over 20 years would still be close and depend on a variety of assumptions. What really pushes the economics towards wind and solar is the ADDITIONAL revenue a company can earn by selling the Renewable Energy Credits (RECs) from their wind and solar generators to other utilities that need to meet environmental targets. The value of these can range from $5 -$30 / MWh. It's an unbelievable waste of money, but people and companies are willing to spend real cash for the environmental attributes of energy that was sold to someone else.

And if that was not enough -- after all of these subsidies for wind and solar -- the utility companies must also consider EPA's newest rule that requires carbon-capture technology be installed on existing and future gas plants. This adds millions of $s in additional costs for the gas plants.

The only reason gas is even being considered anymore is because it's the only viable dispatchable resource, and a certain amount of 24/7 power is needed -- no matter what the cost -- for when the sun doesn't shine, and the wind doesn't blow.

The subsidies and penalties to make utility companies choose wind and solar over gas are obscene.

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